45 reasons why yoruba never had an empire but civilised in benin

45 REASONS WHY YORUBA NEVER HAD AN EMPIRE BUT CIVILIZED BY BENIN.

• Posted by Otedo News Update on September 19, 2014 at 7:29pm in African History, Culture, Spirituality-Health Education
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WHY YORUBA NEVER HAD AN EMPIRE BUT CIVILIZED BY BENIN.

By Uwagboe Ogieva and Ojealaro Friday

19 September 2014

OYO EMPIRE...A YORUBA KINGDOM CREATED ON PAGES OF YORUBA HISTORIANS TEXTBOOKS. AMIDST, Contradictions and false claims

(1). Their story of kingship began with Edo prince and the Benin recorded History.

(2). Ayayi crawder said, little were know about yoruba existence, meaning they were not part of Nigeria of today boarder or were in small settlement close to dahomy. yoruba are half muslims and those with African traditions copied or got them from Benin civilization. I doubt if they not immigrants from dahomy mix with Benins or other fulani-hausa from Niger . Go figure, 

(3). Yoruba have dublicity of kingship with the process highly politized to being traditional. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered institutions in the world because of the way it has sustained its awesome prestige with strict and meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour, discipline and integrity. Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be bought or conferred on non-indigenes or frivolously. Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make sense, therefore, to
think that a people who would not and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-indigenes, would voluntarily invite, accept, or surrender to non-indigenes as their kings. Due to celestial origins, the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be diverted from full time palace duties to hustle for
contracts. 

(4). Most of their Religion are Benin Origin, Olokun, Ogun, Iha oguega(ifa), oronmila, Esago(shango), Ayelala etc. Many Benin traditions and spirituality are stillfully documented by yorubas in high places as YORUBA? (Never mind the Edo man's christian mindset quickly dening Edo have niothing to do with African traditional religion, agreeing they are foriegn to Edoland...LIE)

(5). Benin ruled over what today known as Yorubaland, IFE, AKURE, LAGOS, OGUN, OWO, ONDO ETC

GREAT BENIN

(6). Benin founded lagos and ruled lagos: The rights of who own Lagos are clear Lagos was a Benin town with a Benin Oba who paid tribute to the Oba of Benin indeed his chiefs were the descendants of noble Benin families. The Benin empire ran Lagos for over 400 years before the colonial powers took over.

Though were some migrant yoruba from togo during british presence in lagos, but they formed not the rulers of the town but the subjects of the Oba just like we find in the United Kingdom today where people are subjects of the queen of England and not citizens. I would explain citizenship rights to you later.

(7). Benin first to meet Europeans

(8). "Oba" adopted from Benin not the other way round as many made to believe. There is no king of Yoruba's people. and if there is, what is de name of his title? and how many Yoruba prominent traditional leader/ruler carried the title Oba? since when? if Yoruba called king Oba doesn't mean will derived our king name (N'Oba) from them. Everyone has a name for king in the their native language/tongue. The Oba of Lagos is Eleko of Eko not Oba, the British change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin 

(9). They never conquered any territory but rather struggle with their neighbours before and after the first encounter with Europeans looking for slave hunting.

(10). "Edo" have no relative with the word Yoruba.

(11). Note history is subject to scientific diagnosis and many historic writtings in the past about Benin yoruba have been proved by archaeologies and scientist as erroneous and false.

(12). Many Yoruba being those in the forfront of Nigeria history writters,used in Nigeria institutions had the benefit of making their yoruba look leading culture and history for nigerians

(13). Yorubas all along paddling lies in Nigeria, US and British universities. deceivng Africans with grammar and academic titles. They confuse other external scholars about the true realities of African history.. buy their lies into African America book, which Benin in the Palace have no ideal. thank God the world is now a small village. 

(14). Yoruba had and did the highest slave rading in their togo-oyo region stretched to lagos during slave trade. 

(15) Yoruba never colonise Benin but Benin colonize Yoruba

(16) Yoruba is not in anyway related to Igbo ancestral history

(17) Yoruba not in anyway related to itsekiri history. Their could be later migrant during the European expliotation and commerce but not related to the itsekiri ancestral lineage. Never mind all the title of "Olu" in the region, its all inventions

(18) Thank God for Obafemi Awolowo, Yoruba is known today as an ethnic group in NIgeria

(19) How can an Empire be inside an Empire? Many so called yoruba territories of today never existed in the past but invented and stillfully documented into their borrowed history

(20) Yoruba copied Benin-Edo history, twisted them and publish as Yoruba History. Most of their books and publications are mere opinions of the writers inside their rooms without a singgle scientific research or a visit to Ancient Benin for true archaeological discovery. Covered up with self hate, jealousy and envy of the Great Benin, bias and leftish in many of their so called Nigerian history.

(21) If cameroon was inside Nigeria today , Yoruba would have as well say they are their ancestors..

(22) Many Yorubas in Lagos today came as migrant workers for British companies and construction project. that why you have alot of their fotos with whites. Britain also use them as colonial officers. 

(23) Before Britain or before the punitive expedition of 1897, Yoruba have no were to be found as recognized major ethnic group in lagos but Edos.

(24) Where is Yoruba ancient flag or before 1897? Yoruba had no flag but Benin Yes.

(25) Their loyalty to slave masters, British merchant gave them the huge presence in lagos, Americas and England

(26) The word Yoruba has it's roots in yariba.The fulani used to call the Oyo people Yariba.There was no really united Yoruba nation till awolowo came with a cooked up Oduduwa myth with the intention of uniting them under them with advent of Egbe omo Oduduwa.yorubas that came to the Americas were identified as lucumi which is corrupted from olukumi.

..¨^view bellow map carefully and never mind other maps spread accross the internet designed by photoshop *

(27) The Ooni of Ife,the Alake of Abeokuta ( Egba), the Olubadan of Ibadan,the Oba of Oshogbo, the Deji of Akure,the Oba of Lagos,the Ugbo of Ugboland,the Owu of Owo etc have no historical records that they were ever ruled by an empire with such name. Rather,the Oba of Lagos,the Deji of Akure and all the traditional rulers in present day ondo and Ekiti states have indubitable record that they were once part of the old Benin empire.

(28) The capital of the fathom Oyo empire is alleged to be Oyo-Ile. This is a community that is not as big as Uromi township. It is smaller than many headquarters of south western city states currently existing. It is not as big as Eyaen in Benin city. How come the capital of such great empire ( sic!) is so small and a far cry from any that is known in history? The false historians failed woefully to cover this jigsaw puzzle.

(29) The Kingdom of Nupe was an acephalous community but in the 17th century,it sacked the great Oyo kingdom. Evicted it from Borgu and made it to relocate its capital to OYO Igoho, another hamlet community that can never qualify as capital of a dukedom let alone an empire. Now, most of the towns of Nupe were tribute payers to the Benin empire and never Benin conquerors.

(30) It is on incontrovertible record that,the colonialist never met an empire called Oyo when they came to Nigeria but they did meet the Benin Empire in all her glory having Suzerainty over many Yoruba speaking city states like Lagos,Akure,Ado,Idoani,Ondo,Igbokoda,Owo,Ifon,Ekiti,Owu etc. infact, it is the admission of the fact by many of these coastal states that their overlord is the Oba of Benin that led to the European interest to visit the Oba and settle supremacy once and for all. Oba Overanmwen Nogbaisi was the one they eventually clashed with. Recall that as early as the 15th century, the Oba of Benin has had positive and co-equals interactions with the Portuguese Empire.

(31) Look closely at the map in pix one hereto. That is the colonial Map of Benin. It is less than half of what it was before the whiteman came. Still at that, it shows the whole of the current Midwest,nearly the whole western states including the whole Lagos, some eastern states and north central communities as part of the empire of Benin they met. Now, tell me, where is the geo-political delineation of the mythical oyo empire created by Ola Biola,Olatun Bonsun et al?

(32) How come Oyo-Ile the capital of the contrived OYO Empire is today not the most important city in Yorubaland as Benin city is in Edo. Many old cities that survive still remain the seats of governments. Sokoto,Benin city etc. but the alleged Capital of old oyo hardly ranks as a local government headquarters. This is not consistent with the Yoruba nature which accords much respect to traditional authority and culture. The explanation is simple. There never was such an empire with such a small community as capital city. The proud Yoruba man can never accept such scandal. The capital of their city states like Ibadan,Abeokuta etc is enough to take care of their territorial pride,not the scandalous hamlet of OYO-Ile.

(33) Do you know that there is hardly a Yoruba community except the much mentioned Oyo-Ile,that has no exclusive language of its own that is not Yoruba. These various Yoruba languages are mutually unintelligible to each other. The current general Yoruba evolved from markets that was then mainly that of slave trade.

(34) Now, unlike the Benins and most indigenous Nigerian kingdoms,the Yorubas have the most exported slaves in diaspora. They are very many in the Caribbeans and in Brazil. Do you know why? This is because,it is easy to sell people who are not from the same stork with you.except for criminals,Benin and other kingdoms do not sell their citizens. This again clearly show that a monolithic oyo empire was a lie. The Yorubas had warring and hostile city states and were never united under one pre-colonial power. Chief Awolowo was once rejected by them at the polls as Ijebu( fake) Yoruba. Ironically, it was the same man that came out with the concept and in fact united them as one common political people. That is why they worship him second only to Oduduwa.

(35) Do you know that even their historians admitted the truth in their text books that Oramiyan after leaving Benin founded OYO empire. It is very obvious that Benin is older by far than the fathom Oyo Empire. What is however curious is that, if Ajaka,Shango,Ogun all later children of Oramiyan were deified to be worshipped by the Yorubas, how come Oramiyan's eldest son ( Eweka) who established the most powerful dynasty on earth was not included in their list of deities. This further lend weight to the argument that the history of the Yoruba empire was all about tribal glorification. Anyway, Oduduwa their alleged founder was actually Prince Izoduwa ( Ekhalederan) the only son of the last Ogiso of the first Benin dynasty-Owodo who was banished so that his father could have other children. This is a story for another day.

(36) It still beat me why other Africa historical states only have Benin on their record not OYO empire. Dahomey the alleged neighbour of old OYO recognized Benin as not only its cradle but its main powerful neighbour. Find this extract from Wikipedia interesting...

(37) According to the Wikipedia article on the People’s Republic of Benin, the new name was chosen to reflect the Benin Empire “that had once flourished in neighboring Nigeria.” Most sources, however, maintain that the new name referenced not the Empire but the Bight of Benin, the adjacent stretch of the Atlantic Ocean. The country’s new leaders rejected the name “Dahomey” because they considered it too ethnically exclusive, since the old kingdom of that name had been closely identified with the Fon people of the coastal zone. The new name, based on physical geography, seemed less divisive—even though the term “Benin” ultimate derives from the former Benin Kingdom of the Edo people in what is now Nigeria. The capital of that state, Ubinu, gave rise to the term “Benin City,” which was generalized to cover the entire kingdom, and was subsequently applied to the adjacent sea.
Source: http://www.geocurrents.info/historical-geography/ethnic-politics-an...

I have never doubted our relationship with the Yorubas. Everything natural points to the fact that they are our cousin. What I however disapprove is their attempt to use their privileged premier schooling by the whiteman to re-write history by distorting the true one and concocting a fake one that undermines the superiority of the old Benin empire over their city states.

THERE WERE NEVER AN OYO EMPIRE..

(38) Here is a beautiful example of Rigobert Bonne's 1770 decorative map of West Africa. Covers from the Gold Coast (modern day Ghana), south around the Bight of Benin to Gabon, Congo and Angola. Includes the modern day countries of Ghana, Togo, Benin, Nigeria, Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Congo and Angola. As with most maps of Africa, this map shows excellent detail along the coast and only speculation in the interior. Give evidence of significant Belgian mapping activities throughout the Congo. Names numerous African Kingdoms including Anzico, Mujaco, Bembe, Lubolo, Pemba, Dembi, Calbongo, Bake-Bake, Benin and others. Attempts to map the Niger River as to flows into the Desert de Seth or Saghara, but most of this cartography is speculative at best. Drawn by R. Bonne in 1770 for issue as plate no. B 30 in Jean Lattre's 1776 issue of the Atlas Moderne ." here there was no mention of any empire or people called yoruba or oyo empire

Source: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1770_Bonne_Map_of_West_Africa_(Guinea,_the_Bight_of_Benin,_Congo)_-_Geographicus_-_WestAfrica-bonne-1770.jpg

(39) All European explorers arriving West Africa Maps have no Yoruba as a people or Empire but Benin 

(40) Real Yorubas are from togo while others from the north, never was an Empire in any time of West Africa history. YORUBA ARE MIGRANT WORKERS FROM TOGO NOT NIGERIANS:
THERE WAS NO ODUDUWA, NO SON BACK TO BENIN SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY REVEALS. YES ONE OF THE OBAS CHILDREN, A BENIN PRINCE WENT TO FAR WEST TO ESTABLISH HIS VILLAGE NEAR TO TOGO BOARDER THAT COULD BE LATER CALLED OYO, IFE OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THEN IT WAS NEITHER CALL IFE OR OYO. EKALADERAN IZODUWA COULD HAVE CALLED THE VILLAGE OR KINGDOM HE AND HIS FOLLOWERS STARTED SOUTH WEST TO TOGO BOARDER "ILEFE". YORUBA WERE MIGRANTS FROM TOGOTO THE KINGDOM OF EKALADERAN IZODUWA YORUBA NEVER EXISTED IN NIGERIA THEN. "EKALADERAN IZODUWA" WAS ONE OF THE SON OF OGISO OBA OWODO (NOTE: NOT FIRST SON), THE NAME ODUDUWA SHOULD NOT BE MENTIONED AT ALL IN BENIN HISTORY, THAT SHOULD BE LEFT FOR THE YORUBAS TRYING HAD TO CLAIM NIGERIA NATIONALITY TO RESEARCH AND STRUGGLE WITH. YES, THERE WAS BENIN INFLUENCES IN YORUBA BUT NO YORUBA INFLUENCE IN BENIN MONARCHY. BENIN ARE THE ABORINGINS OF WHAT IS TODAY CALL YORUBA LAND. OGISO OBA OWODO BEGAT EWEKA 1 AND EKALADERAN IZUDUWA. BUT EWEKA ONE IS THE LEGITIMATE SON TO THE THRONE OF BENIN. EKALADERAN WAS THE SECOND SON. THE WORD OBA NOT A YORUBA WORD BUT BENIN. THE BRITISH STARTED USING IT ON THE YORUBA, A MISPLACEMENT OF PRIORITY AND INPERSONATION OF THE OBA OR KING OF BENIN. OBA WAS ALREADY USE BEFORE EWEKA 1. BENIN NOT RELATED WITH YORUBA AND YORUBA NOT BENIN. THEY FROM TOGO AND OTHERS FROM THE NORTH. JUST AS MANY BENIN PRINCE WENT INTO MANY PARTS OF NIGERIA TO ESTABLISH KINGDOMS SO WAS EKALADERA IZODUWA TO THE SOUTH WEST OF NIGERIA.. YORUBA ARE MIGRANT FROM TOGO. PLEASE TELL YORUBA TO LEAVE BENIN HISTORY AND MONARCHY ALONE. THEY SHOULD STOP FALSIFIING AUTHENTI BENIN HISTORICAL RECORDS. THAT THEY SPEAK WHAT TODAY CALL YORUBA LANGUAGE IN BENIN TERRITORY SOUTH WEST OF NIGERIA WAS BECAUSE OF BRITISH COLONIAL RULE. BRITISH REMOVE THE CONCENTRATED LEADERSHIP OF BENIN KINGDOM IN SOUTH NIGERIA, IMPLIMENTED COLONIAL ADMINISTRATORS. THIS SAME TREND WHAT YORUBA CONTINUE TILL DATE CLAIMING MAJORITY FALSEHOOD IN NIGERIA TO BRAINWASHING NIGERIAN PEOPLE AND ROB THEM OF THEIR LEGITIMATE TERRITORY AND LIBERTY. BENIN OCCUPIED AND ARE ABORIGIN OF WHAT TODAY CLASSIFY AS YORUBALAND. YORUBA WERE NOT NIGERIANS BUT MIGRANT WORKERS AND SLAVE RADDERS FROM TOGO DURING BRITISH INVATION AND HUNGER FOR SLAVES. WHAT WOULD NIGERIAN PEOPLE EXPECT OF SLAVE RETURNEES HISTORY OF WEST AFRICAN PEOPLE? YORUBA SLAVE RETURNEES FAILED WHOFULLY PRESENTING THE TRUE REALITY OF AFRICAN PEOPLE AND TERRITORY. MANY CAME BACK DECIEVING NATIVE SETTLERS LIKE THE BENIN AND EDOS WITH BIG BORROWED GRAMMAR AND UNIVERSITY TITLES. THEY INVENTUALLY MADE YORUBA SLAVE FOREIGNER IN NIGERIA TERRITORY NIGERIA HISTORY ... WHAT A TRAGEDY.

(41) Language is a legitimate tool for constructing history and all the names
associated with Oduduwa have deeper roots in Edo language than in the Yoruba.
The Arabs or the Yoruba, do not have words like ‘Uhe’ (the sacred name for Edo
and Ile-Ife, or words ending with ‘duwa,’ ‘noyan’ or ‘miyan,’ which are typical
Edo vowels. ‘Uhe’ is perhaps the most powerful and revealing of all the Edo
names associated with Ile-Ife because depending on how it is pronounced, it
could refer to something sacred or taboo (such as Virgin or Virginity or
Vagina), interpreted as innocence, source, birth canal.

(42) There isn’t and wasn’t any Yoruba Kingdom, Lagos kingdom but there was a Benin Kingdom

(43) "Eko" in Uneme Anegbette (Imiava) dialect means a Settle. And Eko is the indigenous name of Lagos. It was in 1974 that approval was granted Dahomey by Oba Akenzua II to change the name of the country to Republic of Benin. This shows that Benin Empire stretched beyond the entire Yorubaland!. why did Republic of Benin go to yoruba being that they are closer? definitely if there really was an empire as they claim stretch to togo.

(44) YORUBA NEVER HAD ANY CIVILIZATION, BUILT ANY MONUMENT OR ANY WORLD SITE THAT TELLS OF AN EMPIRE OR GREAT KINGDOM LIKE BENIN. An Empire is always self evidence

(45) BENIN AND YORUBA ARE NOT RELATED: BENIN AND YORUBA ARE NOT RELATED: THE POINT IS NOT WHO IS HEAD OR NOT. BENIN RULED OVER YORUBALAND AND YORUBA COPIED BENIN, LIKE THE TERRITORIES IN THE SOUTH REGION OF NIGERIA. THE FIRST HISTORIANS WITH THEIR LITTLE MATERIAL AND RESEARCH GOT IT DEEPLY WRONG. YORUBA WRITING NIGERIA HISTORY, MESS UP ALL NIGERIA AUTHENTIC HISTORY WITH THEIR FAIRY TALES. FOR GOD SAKE BENIN NOT YORUBA AND YORUBA NOT BENIN. THEY ARE NOT RELATED. YORUBA NEVER HAD THE KINGSHIP SYSTEM. NIETHER WERE THEY BETTER THAN THE IGBOS OR ARO CHUKWU. THEIR SYSTEM OF KINGSHIP TODAY IS A BORROWED ONE FROM BENIN. FUNNY ALABI SHOWING US A VISIT TO THE VATICAN? WHEN WAS THAT? WHO DITATES WHO GOES TO VATICAN? WHO SAID WAZOBIA AS ERRONOUSLY PROPAGATED AND HELD BY SOME FOREIGNER ARE THE ONLY MAJOR ETHNIC MAJORITY IN NIGERIA? I CHALLENGE EVERY YORUBA TO PRESENT ANY DOCUMENTED HISTORY OR PROVE OF THEIR PRESENT BEFORE 1550 ANYWHERE IN NIGERIA TERRITORY. ANY EUROPEAN EXPLORER MAP REVEALING THEIR PRESENCE?. YORUBA EMPIRE OR KINGDOM NEVER EXISTED. THEY WERE SETTLER ALONG THE DAHOMEY BOARDER WHO WENT INTO RADDDING THEIR VILLAGES AND FAMILIES FOR SLAVERY TO SATISFY THEIR APPETITES FOR BRITISH ACHOHOL, PETIES, MIROR AND SLAVE LABOURERS. YORUBA NEVER HAD ANY CIVILIZATION, BUILT ANY MONUMENT OR ANY WORLD SITE THAT TELLS OF AN EMPIRE OR GREAT KINGDOM LIKE BENIN. YORUBAS LIED WHOFULLY. BENINS ARE NOT CONFUSE ABOUT THEIR ORIGIN OR MANARCHY. BENIN NOT COMPETING WITH ANY YORUBA HISTORY. BENIN IS WHOLE AND REMAIN WHO AND WHERE THEY ARE. 3000YRS COMING WILL REMAIN AND BE REMEMBERED FOR THEIR GREATNESS AND WEST AFRICAN CIVILIZATION. IT IS ONLY THE YORUBAS THAT HAVE TO BE LOOKING OR RESEARCHING REALLY WERE THEY FROM. AND I SUGGEST THEY GO TO TOGO BECAUSE RECENT SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY REVEAL THEY FROM TOGO AND NOT NIGERIANS.THERE WAS NO EXISTING IFE KINGDOM. WHO SAID IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN BENIN THE FIRST SETTLERS OF IFE? THAT ONE OF BENIN PRINCE LEAVING THE BENIN KINGDOM WITH HIS FOLLOWERS TO ESTABLISH WHAT TODAY KNOWN AS IFE KINGDOM?. YORUBA PRE-BENIN HAD NO ORGANISE KINGSHIP. ONE OF EDO PRINCE BROUGHT THAT AWARENESS AND ESTABLISH THE MONARCHY AS LEARNT FROM HIS BENIN KINGDOM. SAME WITH MANY BENIN PRINCE THAT LEFT THE BENIN KINGDOM TO ESTABLISH MANY CITIES AND MONARCHY IN MANY PARTS OF SOUTH NIGERIA. YORUBA WERE NOT PERCULIAR, NEVER SENT A SON BACK TO BENIN, NEVER THE ORIGIN OF OBA USAGE IN BENIN. BENIN PRINCE LEFT BENIN TO ESTABLISH A KINGDOM FAR WEST, TODAY CLAIMED AS YORUBA KINGDOM. THEN IT WASN'T ANY YORUBA KINGDOM OR ODUDUWA FAIRY TALES OR STORY.